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Backwards Compatibility on PS3 Wrap Up
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10.08.2007 at 8:47 pm
If you haven’t read the news the new 40gb PS3 sku has had the backwards compatibility completely removed from it. This has, of course, set off a good amount of blogging and commenting. Here is a wrap up from the last few days.
On October 5th at 2:00PM PS3 Fanboy’s Chris Powell posted:
“Now that Sony has finally come clean and announced its new 40GB PlayStation 3, it’s got some “splaining to do.” The biggest issue on most gamer’s minds is why Sony decided to cut the backwards compatibility feature that linked the PS3 with the PlayStation consoles that came before it.
SCEE managing director Ray Maguire said Sony will use the money it dedicated towards backwards compatibility to invest in new games or to perhaps lower prices so more gamers can afford to buy a PS3. “It was a big decision, and we know it is a very emotive subject as lots of people think that backwards compatibility is high on the agenda and yet few really use it,” he said.
We’re not sure how Maguire came to this conclusion, but the PS3’s backwards compatibility feature is always one that we’ve appreciated for a long time. With Sony’s commitment to a 10-year life span of its hardware and games still being published for last generation’s console, it seems like an odd choice to “cut the cord” at this point.”
Selected Comments from the post
“If you really want to have BC fork out a 100 euro more and you have it. As well as an extra controller and 2 games. Better deal than the 400 euro consoel if you ask me. Spin it all you like but the fact remains the PS3 just dropped 200 euros in price from 600 to 400 euros.”
“”…that backwards compatibility is high on the agenda and yet few really use it,”
Is this guy for real?! What other games beside Heavenly Sword, Resistance and Warhawk are out here that gamers play on their PS3? I dare you to name one.
This, by far, is the absolute worst explanation I’ve heard this year from any executive. I’m speechless”
“I think it’s a load of crap too. Seems like they’re just punishing the consumer for not buying the more expensive version. Kind of like how Intel apparently used to sell the same processor, but underclocked to different speeds at different prices - it costs the same for them regardless.
But I also think people make too big of a deal out of backwards compatibility. I mean, I love games, but how many games for the PS2 have you played (for however many YEARS at this point) that you STILL feel the need to play? I would definitely buy a non-BC PS3 if it’d save me money.”
“man who cares if it isnt b/c? KEEP UR OLD PS2 MINE WORKS FINE AFTER 4 YEARS… i don’t mind there’s no bc in this new 40gig model and others shouldn’t care either. i even have my original ps hooked up even though i don’t play it. so who gives a crap if there’s no b/c?! sheesh… lmao :)”
“I’m really glad I bought my PS3 when I did. Backwards compatibility is what I use my PS3 for the most. I own several PS3 titles, but I have a huge library of PS2 games and a bunch of PS games that I still play, alot. I retired my PS2 when I bought my PS3 last January. The only exception was Guitar Hero, but I finally got an adapter that works and I gave my PS2 to our niece and nephew.
I don’t want to have a bunch of consoles hooked up if I don’t have to. Sony said pre-launch that the PS3 would be fully backwards compatible. But it seems only if you bought the it early when it had a higher price tag.”
On October 5th at 4:55PM Joystiq’s Alexander Sliwinski posted:
“In separate interviews today both Sony UK boss Ray Maguire and Sony Europe spokesman Nick Sharples spoke about how the 40GB PS3 lacking backwards compatibility is fine. How is it fine? Maguire tells Eurogamer that by this Christmas the PS3 will have a whopping 65 games and so they feel “there’s sufficient choice in the marketplace and that we’re still better off using that money that we’d put into backwards compatibility in either investing in new games or using that money to help support bringing the price down.” Meanwhile, Sharples tells GameDaily, “We have made clear on many occasions that our priority is on developing innovative new features and services for PS3 and not on backwards compatibility.”
We really hate to do this, but we swear Sony must honestly think consumers and the press have the memories of goldfish. Let’s just take it back to the PlayStation brand for two seconds. Sony’s own Phil Harrison clearly and distinctly said in a 2006 interview with GamePro, “Backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices — PSOne, PS2, and now PS3.” A little over a year and “core values” go right out the window. Who needs backwards compatibility anyway when you’ve got 65 games to sell?”
Selected Comments from the post
“Ken Kutaragi:
“the PS3 will feature backwards compatibility with PS and PS2 games from day one. I’m emphasizing this because, from what I hear, there are some platforms that haven’t been able to completely do this. It’s costly in terms of hardware, but we’d rather invest firmly on compatibility from the beginning, rather than to have issues later on.”
Kinda hard to weasel out now?”
“Did Nintendo ever say that the SNES, N64 and GC would be backwards compatible with anything?NEVER.Did Microsoft say that backwards compatibility was a primary concern, and a core value for the brand?NEVER.
Did Sony say that BC was a primary concern, and a core value for the brand? YES.”
“sony themselves said they would be 100% backwards compatible. they set the standard for themselves, and now they’re breaking that promise a year later”
“Sony should have just kept their mouths shut after announcing this detriment to their brand value. To make things worse, they put out a figure of “65 games” for people to buy for the PS3. 65 PS3 games available isn’t something to be proud of, especially with a back-library of thousands of PS and PS2 games that they just made UNavailable to the system.
Sure, they found a way to drive their cost down. But it’s at the cost of their consumer’s understanding of the PS3. Multiple SKUs is bad enough (lookin at MS too!) to confuse the customers. But when you take away a /strength/ of, not only a product, but a whole brand, you’re just asking for a world of hurt.”
“Maybe the people are upset because you Sony, told that the PS3 will be %100 backward compatible from day one, bashing the 360.”
“People wanted a lower price. Sony is doing things according to what the consumers were demanding. When they made their original statement they thought that people would see what a good deal the PS3 is since it comes with a blu-ray drive, full b/c, free online etc…..BUT not everyone saw that. Sony had to change their strategy. That is exactly what is going on….because you guys obviously didn’t appreciate what they ever doing before.”
On October 5th at 7:20PM Kotaku’s Michael Mcwhertor posted:
“By now, we’re all aware of the price drop and feature drop of the PLAYSTATION 3 in Europe, resulting in a gimped 40GB model of the console. So why, exactly, was backwards compatibility dropped from the PS3? What was once a “core value” and “necessary” according to Sony Computer Entertainment’s Phil Harrison—not to mention a boastful talking point when asked about the Xbox 360’s BC— is now clearly not at all necessary, with the company’s priorities on “developing innovative new features and services for PS3 and not on backwards compatibility.”
Yeah, we get it. There’s an opportunity to save a couple bucks. But why remove the PlayStation 2 chipset altogether, after investing in software emulation and eliminating hundreds of titles from the PS3 library? According to an interview with SCEE reps at GamesIndustry BIZ a “reduced emphasis placed on this feature amongst later purchasers of PS3, as well as the availability of a more extensive line-up of PS3 specific titles” is the reason the company is nixing the once promised support.
Plus, they’ve got 65 PS3 titles ready for the holidays.
Solution? Buy the 60GB (while they’re still available), natch. This is the one time as an early hardware adopter that I don’t feel screwed over. Off to hug my Emotion Engine!”
Selected Comments from the post
“So in other words, they needed PS2 support to get the PS3 ball rolling, and now that they actually have games out they are removing it to make PS3s cheaper for everyone else? Actually, that sounds reasonable.”
“I for one don’t care about BC, I have a PS2 which I used to play my PS2 games (funnily enough) now I just want a PS3 I can afford.”
“If by reasonable you mean screwing over anyone that buys that then yes, it’s reasonable. Personally, if and when I do get a PS3 I would really rather not have to have my PS2 crammed in my already overcrowded entertainments center as well. This is pretty much just a giant slap in the face by Sony. Thanks guys.”
“I have to agree, Sony is certainly being two-faced about BC. I mean all the stuff they about how MS couldn’t have all the titles, blah blah blah. Look where they’re at now. Sad, Sony, very SAD.”
“Who cares? If you want the backward compatibility, go get the slightly more expensive unit. If you don’t care and want to save a C-note, go get the cheaper version.”
“I haven’t been interested in the PS3 at all until I saw some footage from MGS4 and I realized how much I really want it. Iv been getting increasingly interested in buying one. I currently own a regular PS2 so I could look past the backwards computability being dropped. I might actually end up picking up a PS3 this winter.”
“Normally, I’d piss and moan about this whole thing with the best of them, but this is the one time someone has removed a feature from their product and I really… don’t give a shit.
Call me a Never-Nervous-Pervis, but it seems to me that if you want Backwards Compatibility, you’ll still have that option. For those of us who are more frugal, and care not for the luxuries of playing the games of generations past, then there’ s a PlayStation 3 tailor-made for you. It’s got all the high-tech niceties of it’s high-end counterpart (Bluetooth, Blu-Ray, WiFi, expandable HDD) without a feature that I would argue 20% of its owners use. Dumbass move by Sony? Maybe. The best move they’ve made so far? That’s where my money is.”
On October 6th at 2:55PM Joystiq’s Ross Miller posted:
“Due to popular demand from a previous editorial (this is a blog, after all, and editorializing does happen from time to time), we thought it best to clarify further why, exactly, we feel Sony’s move to drop backwards compatibility from the 40GB PAL model was at best misguided and at worst cruel to its consumer base.
First off, the cost to Sony for including the software emulation is very minimal. Though some people have cited the Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer, the combo chip was removed from the PAL design in late February 2007 and cost an estimated $27. Essentially, the software emulation has been running entirely on PS3 hardware for the full extent of its tenure in the PAL region. So that $27 that Sony is presumably saving by not using software backwards compatibility is misinformed.
Regarding PS One titles, Sony has told GameSpot that they will be compatible, which is a good sign. But why not extend those compatibility options to the PS2 library? As previously denoted, that software in its present form runs fine on PS3 hardware.
There has also been discussion about choice. For this, we want to remind the readers that the 40GB is currently only coming out in Europe, where their only other option is the soon-to-be-dropped (reaffirmed in a line from their recent press release) 60GB version. The 80GB model is not coming to PAL territories.
But perhaps it is a cost-cutting hardware issue that no one has seen. If that’s the case, then Sony would be wise to say so, instead of highlighting the 65 PS3 titles reportedly able to justify the loss or downplaying the importance of backwards compatibility when, as recently as 2006 Sony’s Phil Harrison said that “backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices — PSOne, PS2 and now PS3.”
Could the software be offered later as a download? That’s a possibility, although it would beg the question why the company couldn’t have added it originally (barring issues over the non-presence of the PS2 graphics synthesizer chip), as well as if that compatibility software would be provided for a nominal fee.
As it stands, no hardware deterrent has been revealed, and the public relations are doing nothing to remedy that error. Does adding the software during the production of the unit, particularly when other software like the operating system is being uploaded, cost that much more? We don’t see it, and we’re grasping at straws trying to find a reason for it. (Other than diverting PAL gamers’ money from buying last-gen software to new-gen offerings.)
So what’s the big deal - why does the backwards compatibility matter? The previously-mentioned “core value” quote from Phil Harrison best sums it up, that with the PS3 we are buying into the PlayStation brand and all that it entails. Gamers who pick up the 40GB model have lost access to over 8,000 titles - many of them the best gaming has to offer. The elephant in the room is that Sony could ween out backwards compatibility from all its available models over all regions. Should you care? We think so.
Update: With some help from Engadget Japan’s Ittousai, we have found diagrams indicating the switch from Emotion Engine + Graphic Synthesizer chip to just a graphics synthesizer chip, implying the software emulation was partially hardware-supported (as noted by many commenters). If that’s the case, then, the ability to download emulation software later may not be possible. We don’t want to spread misinformation, so for further clarification we have contacted Sony for a definitive answer.
Regardless, the loss of backwards compatibility marks a paradigm shift in the PlayStation branding. If you buy a PS3, your connection to the previous generation - one that saw Sony reign mightily in the realm of console gaming - is severed. Does the cost of branding outweigh the financial benefit of losing a graphics chip?”
On October 8th at 4:30PM PS3 Fanboy’s Andrew Yoon posted:
“Many people assumed that the PS3 was software emulating PS2 games, ever since the release of the 80GB model. That system removed the Emotion Engine from the hardware, and required Sony to implement a backwards compatibility solution that involved emulation. Many, including Joystiq, wondered why the new 40GB model couldn’t do the same.
SCEE’s Nick Sharples sent a technical explanation as to why the new 40GB model loses support for PS2 games. “Backwards compatibility for PS2 titles is largely made possible through the use of actual semiconductors, supported by the PS3 system software. The 20GB and 60GB PS3 models launched in Japan and the USA were equipped with both the PS2 Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesiser chips and we could therefore guarantee over 90% backwards compatibility for PS2 titles.
“The 60GB model launched in Europe was a new model (shared with the 80GB model launched subsequently in USA) which contains only a modified version of the Graphics Synthesiser chip from the PS2 and not the Emotion Engine chip. The European launch model therefore used a combination of software and the modified version of the PS2 Graphics Synthesiser chip to deliver backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. As a result the percentage of backwards compatible PS2 titles was slightly reduced.
“The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone.” Because each game would have to be individually emulated (much like on the Xbox 360), Sony decided that an effort like that would be much too costly, and opted to remove BC support from the 40GB system entirely. That decision has not only produced a cheaper system for Sony to manufacture, but for consumers to buy as well.”
Selected Comments from the post
“If people really wanted BC support then they should have brought the 60/80gb models, they carnt really say it was never available
This is quite clever really, SONY released the BC support in early models for the true fans, who would pay alot to get a PS3 (like me).
And then they release a cheaper model, with less features for the more mainstream, casual audience.
Good tactic SONY :D”
“That makes sense to me. I guess if you’re trying to reduce the price of your system in order to compete, I understand the reasoning. I’m just glad that I bought the 60 Gig with the Emotion Chip.”
“Many of us have been saying this was the case since BC was announced as removed. But with anything Sony these days 10 more people spout out how “the end is nigh!”.”
“As long as they offer both BC and non-BC systems, i dont see what ppl are crying about. If BC is that important to you then you can pay the normal price for it.. ppl who dont care for BC get to save $100.”
“I agree. If people don’t like it, they won’t buy it. I own a ton of PS2 games so I’m glad I went with the 60Gb model. Now my poor friend who doesn’t have a PS2 (I know, poor misguided soul) can get in on the PS3 action without spending $$$ on stuff he doesn’t need.”
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06.17.2007 at 9:10 pm
PS3 Fanboy has posted their inaugural ‘Ask PS3 Fanboy’. So if you have any PS3 questions head over and drop them an email.
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PS3 Europe - Honey Moon Over?
PS3 + 1up + Joystiq + Kotaku + Fanboys + PS3 Fanboy
04.05.2007 at 8:56 am
The big fanboy heart breaking news this week is the GamesIndustry.biz report that PS3 sales have fallen 82% in the UK.
“A spokesperson for Chart Track confirmed the figure to GamesIndustry.biz this afternoon, stating: “Yes, sales of PS3 hardware have dropped by 82 per cent.”"
On top of that sales of the top two games, Resistance and Motorstorm have dropped by over 60%.
Here’s a wrap up of what everyone is saying.
“What did anyone expect? Sony selling 165,000 PS3 consoles week after week? Such a drop-off is only to be expected since at least 80% of those first week sales were pre-orders made many months before.”
“The uk launch was literally a great example of “EVERYONE WHO WANTED ONE BOUGHT ONE”
and thats about it”
“That is still very good. 30,000 is more than they sell in Japan every week and I am sure it is still the best selling console in the UK this week. It’s also one third of what the 360 and Wii managed to do IN THEIR FIRST WEEK. Sorry it couldn’t break the alltime record for consoles sold in the UK two weeks in a row.”
“Expected fanboy comments: “That’s because everyone who wants one already got one lol” “599 US Dollars!” “Idiot, this is for UK sales.” “Oh. Then… 425 British Pounds!” “Idiot.” “What’s wrong with those people? PS3 is great, they should all be buying them out.” Any others I miss?”
“They can’t use the stock shortage line as they are everywhere at the moment. They should be quite pleased that they managed to get one to everyone that wanted/could afford one at the crazy crazy rip off price.”
“”Show me a single store in the UK with a game system, and I will give you 1200 pounds sterling”….Its sony, they will find some way to put a spin on it, good or bad, I don’t think sony really cares…”
“Only the diehard Sony fans are buying the PS3. The highly sought after “causal gamer” could not care less about the PS3 and the Cell Processor, Blu-Ray, etc…all they see is the high sticker price. GTA 3 brought these casual gamers to the PS2 in droves, but I’m not so sure that GTA IV can pull off the same trick for the PS3, especially since it will be available on the cheaper 360.”
“Maybe Sony should have done like Nintendo and purposely create a lack in the consoles, so people feel the need to buy one right away?”
“All those who wanted it have it. Now we are seeing those who wanted it but, didn’t have the money at the time hence the 25 - 30k sales. If the console was in demand then it would have sold out and continued to sell out for weeks to come. There are millions of people in the uk and indeed 3 milion of them now have DS’. This is why Sony are taking longer than expected to spin the news. They can’t talk about availability because then they look like hypocrites. They can’t claim to be shifting units because the Wii sold over 300k units in the first week alone and continues to sell well even now. There has been no lul in Wii sales at all. They sell as fast as Nintendo make them. I expect a price cut to be announced within a week or two and for this to be spun as a positive thing. Something along the lines of a manufaturing breakthrough meaning cheaper parts (probably lead by the 65nm cells). I only feel sorry for those that bought the console on day one. If sony want to take back the market, then they will have to royaly shaft those loyal fans on the price!”
“The sales drop is to be expected. I’m surprised that the numbers are still as high as they are. Those numbers bring the UK real close to 200,00 which i think was their innitial shipment.”
“I agree with Nick in that there is anything to worry about from these numbers. You can’t expect huge sales with the cost of the console as it is. I’d begin to worry if PS3 sales are still in the doldrums at the end ofthe year.”
“Obviously a decrease OMG!!! No decrease guys just another 165,000 people bought one, my god the media are Sony haters lol!!! True though.
Wonder what the Wii and 360 sell on average per week now, if you could show that in your blog i would appreciate it!!!”
“What can anyone say? It is what it is. The problem isn’t the hardware, it isn’t what the system can or can’t do. The problem is simply the price. Its just too high. I don’t know how many people would buy a $600 Xbox360 either. I own all of the systems, for me it isn’t an issue. But I know for a lot of folks this gen is a one or the other situation. Most of my single system owning friends have a 360.”
“5. 4. 3. 2. 1. Here come the Wiitards & Xboys. Bring it on bitchs !”
“So this is what it looks like when fanboys from each company go at eachothers throat, Lol! :)”
“Its just a sad day that these fools dont see it. Look at the signs you zombies!! Trade in your PS3’s and get a 360 or a Wii.. Its already too late to trade in your PSP’s.. and soon it wont even matter! Dont you see the fall of the name PLAYSTATION???”
“All I hear is excuses. Well the PS3 is selling better than the 360 during the same launch window. Yet they refuse to aknowledge that the 360 in the US and Europe is doing very well, that the 3rd major territory Japan is Anti-Microsoft, that the 360 had major shortages at launch and for about 6-8 months afterwards. All that considered plus the fact that the 360 had average to poor launch titles. I would say the 360 is doing quite well. Also dont forget that the Wii is whippin that Ass and it launched at roughly the same time as the PS3. Then I hear PS3 fanboys saying stuff like DMC4, or VF5, or Ace Combat, etc… weren’t that good on the Playstation, or they were gonna suck anyways, etc… STFU U insecure little maggots. U know dang well if Halo3 or Forza 2, or Mass Effect, or Gears of War etc came over to the PS3 U would cream your panties… Get over it the 360 rocks and its a good thing that these games went multiplatform. Why should I be forced to pay for Blue-Ray and Cell to enjoy these games? Learn how to share fuckers. Selfish pricks. I’m not mad that those games will be on the PS3. WTF!!! This is classic Playstation Polesmoker attitude right here: All I hear is wait till Home comes out U will see. Wait till MGS4 or FF13 comes out U will see. Wait till 2008. How much longer do we have to wait. In the US and Japan we waited a year for the damn thing to launch after the 360 was already available. Europe waited almost a year and a half. We waited that long to get the same gaming experience if not less than what the 360 already offers and U want us to pay $200.00 more for the PS3. Plus the online service blows Ass compared to Live, and the game library sucks compared to the 360. Ya great idea, lets keep waiting. No thank you. I would rather “Jump In” with a 360 right now, then “Play Beyond” with a PS3 in 2008. Good night Sony Sausage Smugglers!!!!!”
“So here all of the 360 Sony hating fanboys congregating!!! No where to be seen on the “Microsoft Defends the 120GB HD’s Price” NEWS POST!! LOL!!! I guess whatever is convenient for all of you fanboys works.”
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Elite 360. Fanboy Reactions and Information
Xbox360 + Joystiq + Kotaku + Comments + PS3 Fanboy + Destructoid
03.28.2007 at 6:42 pm
The elite has been announced, revealed, birthed and smacked on the butt.
We’ll start off with some Elite information. Over at GameSpot you’ll find a run down on the Elite including a feature comparison of each of the 3 Xbox SKUs and at 1up you’ll discover their ‘Better Value?’ write up.
And no OMG announcement would be complete without the run down of fanboy comments.
“Wait so with a wifi ($100) that’s 580 bux. oh for another 20 bux i can get a ps3 with bluray+gigabit lab+wireless+media readers?”
“what a bunch of whiners. Nothing can please you whiney brats. Don’t like it, don’t buy it. I’m happy to have options though. I’m betting a price drop for the premium and core tomorrow.”
“I think Microsoft is right, digital distribution is the way high-definition content is going. Certainly many like having the physical product, but… many more I think will enjoy just being able to download it and watch it and many other shows without having to even touch a disc. The 120GB hard drive is a definate improvement, but is still rather pricey. But… still a better deal than the 20GB hard drive, per GB… 8) I’m certainly interested in the possibilities of IPTV also; ‘be interesting to see how that works.”
“Damm you guys don’t get it. Since the PS3 is not really offering the 500$ unit as much and pushing the 60gb for 600$ more. A person wanting buy a console will still say.. WOW for 80$ more I get 6 times more HD space of xbox or twice the PS3 space + I get a HDMI cable.? Or should I get the 600$ PS3 + a 80$ Hdmi cable.? This is just a opinion after hearing less and less retailers are offering the 20gb ps3. For my brother who’s been waiting to see what the new xbox would offer he just decided to buy it now cause just 1 month ago he would of only gotten a 20gb xbox.”
“Wow, nickel-and-diming galore. Go on, Xbots, go on. Just don’t complain when you spend more then the PS3 for fewer features”
“Well, at least it comes with the HDMI cables.”
“an upgrade offer would be nice….”
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“Damn, Anyone know how much you can get for the 360 if you went gamestop and traded it in?”
“I am a big MS fan*, but this was a stupid move. The right move would have been to drop the core move the premium price to 299 and sell the Elite for 399″
“Sooo, people bitch about not having HDMI and a bigger HDD, MS actually gives it to them, and people are still bitching? Wow. Seriously, if you didn’t expect it to cost more, you’re stupid. And with the 20 gig HDD going for $100 already, what did you expect? I didn’t realize that somehow MS went into everyone’s homes and disabled featues on current X360s; that what it seems like for some of the complainers, since that’s the only way MS could screw current owners.”
“Yeah Kudos for MS for making such an idiotic move… Seriously though.. if they included HDDVD and built in WIFI and REMAINED at 480 then its kinda a critical blow to PS3… This deal is better than PS3 20gig version though but no where near the 60gig version”
“I just bought a 360 like 3 months ago…. its definitely not worth it to get the elite, its not all that different to make me want to run to get the elite. if it had HD-DVD maybe. I dont consider this a competator to the PS3 what so ever. 120 gig hard drive? so what? thats pointless. Especially when you can get that separate.”
“You shouldn’t have to re-buy your console. It defeats the purpose. At least I can drop an size hard drive into my PS3 at a REASONABLE price.”
“MS isn’t saying 10 million people have to re-buy a console. Sony didn’t ask PS2 owners to re-buy the slim PS2 with integrated ethernet. They same reason Apple didn’t ask 60gig owners to re-buy the 80 gig. People, please stop talking about this. I own a premium 360 and i will never need a 20gig hard drive. However, a lot of people have taken advantage of the new television and movie downloads on Xbox Live.”
So what does everyone think? Personally, I’m out of HDMI inputs.
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PS3 Launch - Good News
PS3 + Joystiq + Kotaku + PS3 Fanboy
03.26.2007 at 6:57 pm
I’m so confused. Last week it was doom and gloom and this week:
“PS3 kicks off most successful home console launch in UK… ever.”
“Sony’s PS3 selling faster than XBox 360?”
“PS3 Breaks Sales Records In UK”
There was only one launch, right?
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PS3 Launch - Some of our Favorite Stories and Comments
PS3 + 1up + Kotaku + Fanboys + PS3 Fanboy + Destructoid
03.24.2007 at 7:38 pm
The PS3 has launched abroad and depending on what team you play for the launch was either a success or a horrible failure. Which amazes me since there was only one launch but oh well, start the spin, er, news posts!
In no real order:
Xbox Crashes French PS3 Launch - Kotaku
“At the PLAYSTATION 3 launch event in Paris, Microsoft found an opportunity to do a little guerilla marketing by sending French gamers queueing up for a PS3 a kind reminder via boat.”
-Comments
“lol! wow, microsoft marketing people are a bunch of dicks!”
“Absolutely hilarious. To be honest, though, Sony is killing themselves with their own product even without the help of MS.”
“pwned! No Nintendo party crasher?”
Easing Tired Bums At The UK PS3 Launch - Kotaku
“Seems there were around 50 or so people there for the bash, but in the midst of a cold, British night, conditions weren’t ideal. Luckily, some friendly chaps were on-hand giving out free camping chairs to the tired, would-be customers.”
-Comments
“ahahahaha, between this and the boat, I <3 the 360 marketing team right now. I think they smell blood in the water.."
"Last time I checked, you badmouthed eachother in politics... I'm sure some may see it differently, but microsoft seems to be making an ass out of themselves. (boats with MS banners roaring past the ps3 release, chairs that have hidden meaning for PS3 Shoppers) Next MS is going to accuse the PS3 of druggin and beating hookers, and leaving them in the grass along the interstate to die. I can see it now..."Hookers are people too!""
UK Retailer Happy With PS3 Supply And Demand - Kotaku
“Sony’s PS3 launch hasn’t exactly been gangbusters. Still UK retailer GAME is pleased with the supply and the demand. There are more than enough consoles to go around.”
-Comments
“Yeah; ok keep spinning negativity on the whole thing; the truth is starting to come out about the european territory launch”
“I was wondering how exactly this situation could go through the spin machine and allow the speaker to retain a level of dignity, this is actually a pretty good attempt - AND they managed to smear the 360! Good work guys and girls.. now, back to reality, this is a horrendous, worldwide catastrophe for Sony, surely?”
“So the “marketing director” for a retailer that sells PS3s is telling us that Sony “withheld the release of the PS3 in order to build up stock levels for launch.” I think she means Sony “withheld the release of the PS3 to rip out the PS2 Chipsets (Emotion Engine) and jack up the price of the PS3 for launch.”"
“I’m not sure if this can be considered an honest comment from an official or just positive PR spin. While it is agreed that a good supply is essential on any launch day, it seems to me that if a product does not “sell out of stock” it would considered “bad” I suppose in a media and PR sense it’s bad, but from a financial stand point it does seem the better path to go, however Sony does have far more units available then Microsoft & XBOX360, i recall they mentioned around from 400-600 unit which includes pre-orders, if Sony Sells at leased half of that shipment by end of april, well…its profitable, although how much of that will make a dent in it’s spiralling debts in light of the recent “free HD TV” give-away stunt, which will give a strange signal to all those purchasing/or thinking of it, wondering why they didn’t get one is…..debatable…. ”
Worldwide PS3 Launch: Some Bang, Some Whimper - 1up
“Britain: The Good, Australia: The Bad, France: The Ugly
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“I find the stunt in Paris childish. Peter Moore is at it again. I remember when Sonic showed up at a Sony event when the PS2 was about to launch to say please buy a Dreamcast. It didnt work then and we gonna see if its gonna work now. Get over it Peter.”
“at my local eb store here in aussie land… number my bro was number 1 of like… 4? was 5 but some guy left to get the number one spot we showed up at 11:30…considering when I bought the Wii, I was 1 of like 50-60?”
PS3 launch fails across the pond; Where is your Phil Harrison now? - Destructoid
“Last night was the midnight launch of the PlayStation 3 for our overseas brethren in France and England, and the crowds that turned out were dismal, to say the least. Apparently one tenth of the people expected to be there actually showed up, and Sony was left with literal barges full of their newest console, at least in the land of wine and cheese.”
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“PS3 launch was a fizzer in Australia too. The major event had only 40 or so people buying a PS3 and maybe about 100 or more people looking on, getting free food, massages etc. Last year the 360 had over 1000 people at the same venue. The game sites and news over here could only report it as ‘modest’. You’d think at least a few journalists would use the world ‘failure’. But apparently none of them have any balls.”
“The official London event only had 120(ish) people turn up, which was a bit gutting. But everyone who did line up in Virgin Megastore did get a free Sony Bravia 46″ HDTV for nowt. response from forums here have generally praised sony for giving the TVs away but derided them for using it to take away coverage from the lackluster launch and we still don’t want the PS3… but do want the TVs.”
“this is living!”
Congratulations, Europe! Tell us your PS3 story! - PS3 Fanboy
“This is just a note to let all of the territories know that, at least a midnight our time, we’re going to give you a big “Congratulations!” flag and let you wave it all you want.”
-Comments
“Are you guy retarded? Barely anyone in Europe wanted a PS3.”
“Yeah! Just got my Aussie PS3! Awesome!!!”
“PS3 FTW! its too good just got mine and its the best purchase ive ever made for a console!”
“I just find it funny that some people are so against Sony that everything is bad whatever they are. In the US launch, people were killing each other to get their hands on a PS3 and they say that’s bad. In the UK launch, there is so much PS3’s to go around so people won’t be killing each other, and they still say it’s bad. So, tell me, what would have been a GOOD launch?”
GAME says: PS3 launch stronger than the others! - PS3 Fanboy
“A good supply of consoles leads to less dissatisfied consumers. Says Anna Macario of GAME: “It’s very unusual that we’re going to be in a situation where we’ve got enough stock to fulfil demand in the short term – that’s never happened before.” She says that there won’t (read: shouldn’t) be any negativity against Sony for not supplying enough units.”
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“This is a rather pathetic attempt at spin. This was news YESTERDAY. All this tells us is Sony has the supply. We know nothing of the demand. Stop bullshitting us.”
“Sony should be praised for providing enough units. It’s really annoying to not be able to get a console, such as the case with the Wii still. I can’t imagine waiting in line for nothing *holds back smart ass remark*.”
“LOL its funny the ps3 can’t sit, stand, walk or even talk without some xbot getting upset about it. for the love of god if you people are so confident that the ps3 will fail then by all means let it fail! why the hell to you people find a great need to try and shit on everything the ps3 does if you are sure its going to flop? why try so hard to shit of something you don’t even plan to buy? is it because ps3 is strikingly similar to the ps2 in its early days and history might repeat itself? and you somehow feel threaten”
The Paris debacle — PS3 launch style! - PS3 Fanboy
“You’ve got to admit your defeats as well as your successes. Stepping away from the Fanboy section of this website’s title, we’re going to go over what Sony planned in Paris, then what became of what would have been totally awesome if done in the United States.”
-Comments
“Keep in mind that since there was actually adequate supply for this launch, people can forgo the insanity of the North American launch. The hardcore fans knew that since they’d reserved, they were guaranteed a console, and others that wanted one knew supply was good enough that they wouldn’t need to camp out two weeks in advance and riot.”
“Sony launched their console the way launches are supposed to be done. They screwed up in the US and had it not been right before Xmas they would have been better off waiting a little while so they could have released more games along side the PS3 at launch and had more consoles available. Of course fanboys everywhere are reporting that the PS3 launch is lame and nobody wants one. Idiots… Its damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Not enough supply and people whine or a healthy supply and fanboys claim that nobody wants one.”
“That’s because fanboys always need something to cry about :/ Seriously, they need to do something other than complain about their competition’s console and move out of their mom’s basement or something.”
“Print the WHOLE story, lol. They expected 3000 people and 40 showed up. Ya, the rest of the 2960 people ordered it online. That’s pretty pathetic, I don’t give a shit how much you like Crazy Ken, lol. Just sayin…”
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PS3ing for a Good Cause
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03.22.2007 at 2:09 pm
In more positive gamer community news, PS3 Fanboy is organizing a “Leave your PS3 on for a good cause this Sunday night!” night.
“This week marks the first ever Sunday Night Foldathon in support of Stanford’s cancer research efforts.”
If you own a PS3 download the 1.6 update and go over to PS3 Fanboy and get involved.
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Fanboy Damage Control Time - DMC4 Edition
Xbox360 + PS3 + Joystiq + Message Boards + Fanboys + PS3 Fanboy + Major Nelson
03.20.2007 at 9:15 am
Fanboys, I love them and today the Sony faithful is out doing massive damage control while the 360 zealots are cheering another ‘victory’. It’s days like this I live for.
The reason for all this fanboy action is, for those of you that make your residence under a rock, the Capcom announcement that Devil May Cry 4 is now on the PS3 AND Xbox360. Oh, the excitement!
Here’s a run down of some of our favorite early morning reactions:
“thank you capcom and might i say, hahahahahaha, $600 ftl”
“I guess Microsoft has been very generous with developers. Assassin’s Creed, Devil May Cry, GTA4…Still, if any of the three following games: Metal Gear Solid 4, FFXIII, or FF Versus XIII gets ported before they are launched, it’s doom and gloom for Sony.”
“Do 360 owners play anything other than shooters and sports games? Nah, i didnt think so.”
“..sigh…i really wanted to believe that Sony would be smart enough to spend the money to secure key intellectual properties…guess not. seems they’re more concerned with selling blu-ray than making their customers happy. hurry up and move MGS4 to the 360 so i can sell my damn PS3…this is ridiculous…sony is being REALLY fucking stupid…FUCK this pisses me off.”
“What! DMC4 is coming out for the 360! Son of a bi… oh wait, it’s still coming out for the ps3 too. Add me to the list of people that don’t care if another console gets the same games considering I still get to play them on mine. Yeah, it sucks to lose a big exclusive, can’t deny that, but in the end it doesn’t really matter to me as an individual.”
“i just think it’s absolutely hilarious that joystiq says this game is on all next gen consoles….but what about the Wii?! oh yeah…last gen, my bad”
“there is noooooo way this just happened…”
“”Capcom is committed to making its titles available to as wide an audience as possible, and has been building its technology base to meet that goal,” some big cup loaded of total bullshit if they want to make titles available to all then bring on to multiplatform that lost planet and deep rising motherfuckers!”
“Seriously, put yourself in Capcom’s shoes. Your ultimate goal, as it is with any business, is to make money. So after shelling out $10 million to develop a title, why would you choose to release a title on only one system when you could release it on two? Unless Sony or Microsoft are willing to cut one hell of a check for you, as a third party developer, it makes very little sense to keep your game “exclusive” to one console.”
“I think the problem people have is the company over and over again claimed that the game was exclusive. I don’t have a problem with a game going multi-platform, but don’t lie about it being exclusive when you had another version in development all along.”
“I’m putting myself in Capcom’s shoes, but I just can’t seem to be able to port Lost Planet and Dead Rising to PS3. Am I missing something? Perhaps I’m in the wrong shoes. Maybe if I was in the shoes of Capcom having an incentive NOT to port those titles… Bingo! It’s a shame that Microsoft has to resort to monopolizing tactics instead of themselves doing the work, as in doing some nice titles themselves other than Halo and buying exclusives left and right.”
“And now you’ll hear a bunch of comments like above “oh who cares DMC sucks anyway” but before, it was one of the main game you heard out of ps3 owners mouths that they would have and 360 wouldnt.”
“Ouch, that one’s gotta hurt. Sorry PS3 Fanboys.”
“Further Proof that Sony will not win this console war. They are losing exclusives like it is their job.”
“OH MY GOD ONE MORE FOR THE GOOD GUYS!”
“I almost feel bad for those PS3 Fanboys…It must be sooo hard for them to have faith in Sony…w00t! 360 is teh 1337! XBOX FTW! I wanna be cool…”
“Well, apparently NeoGAF is exploding, and threads are being locked a’plenty over at the official Sony forums. What a surprise. ;)”
“so we lose exclusives. Those other developers have to feed their family’s too, so they gotta make as much $$$ as they can. And like I tell all my friends and Box owners. Every game that your system has/is getting, my PS3 is getting as well. SO why should I care about your “Box”?”
“Thats kind of what i’m getting at… Just a week ago people were hailing playstation as the new king and now DMC4 goes multiplatform and the world is ending. The only thing i can relate those that are so hurt by DMC4 going to the 360 are frontrunner sports fans. I’m relaxed and i see potential in sony. I know they have atleast a slight idea of what they’re doing. I mean if we were all to judge from past events like GDC 2007 then its obvious that sony hasn’t really shown anything yet. Wait till gamers day and E3 and i’m sure we’ll see alot of new IPs.”
“Everybody isn’t worried. Problem is there are too many kids running around with nothing better to talk about. Sony is just getting started. They’ve come a long way in what, 4 months. Much of the bad talk is generated by fans of the other conole. I’m very happy with my purchase and am looking forward to a lot good stuff down the line. The playstation 3 is going to do just fine.”
“Am I the only one who thinks DMC4 is waaaayyyy too over hyped? A game with barely any footage shouldn’t be this hyped and is only riding on the previous game’s success. And frankly I’d laugh if it was a let down like DMC2 and I have felt that way for awhile.”
“I dont care about this game either way , what I do care about is loseing this game as an exclusive isnt going to help increase the install base of the ps3 . wich in th elong run will mean less games developed with the ps3 in mind .”
“They act like Capcom cares about the big console wars…In reality it’s just that Capcom knows that games cost a lot of money to make and that can make A LOT more money by releasing a game that has over 13 million potential owners rather then 3 million potential owners.”
“The reason being.. we’re Sony fans. There’s so many multiplatform games coming out for PS3 and 360.. it’s the exclusives that matter. Devil May Cry was a big one. I know I’m still going to get to play this game but it’s disappointing knowing that 360 fanboys that constantly lie to give PS3 a bad reputation are going to get to play this game.. without buying a PS3 and supporting Sony in anyway. Capcom sucks.. they betrayed Sony”
Isn’t this a fun Tuesday?
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Did the PS3 Deliver at GDC?
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03.15.2007 at 9:06 am
Hop over to PS3 Fanboy and help them determine that very question with a little poll fun.
“GDC has come and gone like a bad rash… minus the itchy part. Did the PS3 deliver the goods at the event? Did it meet expectations? Did you laugh, cry or kiss about $700 bucks good-bye? Let us know by answering the poll and then contributing to the inevitable flame war below!”
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They’re attacking Sony’s home!
Fanboys + Sony + Nintendo + Home + PS3 Fanboy + Microsoft
03.11.2007 at 12:43 pm
Sony fanboys gather the wagons because the home attack has begun. Earlier Nintendo released their response to the new Sony service stating, “This is an example of Sony’s “Mii-too” approach. Today we find Microsoft’s Chris Satcheel, general manager of Microsoft’s Game Developer Group, saying Home was “not a very game-centric approach.”
Sony supporters unite!
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